Robotic Nation Evidence

Hopefully, this will soon lead to the eradication of 50% or more of these kinds of positions. Humans should not be handling food, since it leads to too many mistakes and bacteria harming customers. Perhaps the "humans" will be the happy faced front of a robotically managed facility.
 

As of right now, it may only get rid of management jobs, which are the only ones in those places with half-survivable wages if you have no children and a very frugal lifestyle. It may be nice to not see people in these jobs, until you realize that now you're just seeing them on the streets. As Marshall has stated very clearly, new jobs won't be made to make up for the eventual massive displacement.
 

Oh dear god, it's running Windows!

INCOMING! BOTULISM!
 

I'm sorry, but the idea of permanent displacement is an old one. That argument doesn't stand up to the reality of entrepreneurial creativity in the marketplace. And that, my friends, is what will continue to differentiate "humans" vs. robots.
 

Permanent displacement has always been a fear that has not been realized, yet. The Roman's didn't think their empire would collapse either.
Look at Star Trek replicators. Anyone can get anything they want or need essentialy for free.
Do you really think our economy would survive if this technology appeared today?
At what point does manufacturing automation become destabalizing to the economy?
I don't think we need full on replicators for that to happen.
 

Technological advancements HAVE displaced value of the laborer for decades. Technology, when used to reduce labor costs, means that the worker is worth less in the marketplace. This is not a new phenomenom. This is precisely the kind of divison that Marx, et al. described.
 

Computer Capable of Human Brain Functional Simulation:

http://bluebrainproject.epfl.ch/

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/26/0021238

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PPTSuperComputersPRINT.jpg
 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/PPTSuperComputersPRINT.jpg
 

>>Anthony said...
Technological advancements HAVE displaced value of the laborer for decades. Technology, when used to reduce labor costs, means that the worker is worth less in the marketplace. This is not a new phenomenom. This is precisely the kind of divison that Marx, et al. described.<<

Oh, so now we're referring to Marx as an "expert" on marketplace realities?...The biggest failure in modern social/political/economic history? Spare me.
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_ai#Computer_simulating_human_brain_model
 

Computer simulating human brain model
 

Growth in Supercomputer Power
 

Technological displacement of workers has taken place in the past; there is no question about that, just look at the modern automotive factory today compared to 50 years ago.

But in the past and the present when ever a machine took over a person's job, it was only for specific task (i.e. assembling a car) so there were always other jobs to go to or the surplus of labour allowed for new industries to become viable.

But with Artificial General Intelligence (should it ever come to pass) this effectively "automates" the creativity of humans. It is intelligence on tap. It is this advance that would potentially make employment of people obsolete. With AGI there potentially would be no human advantage over an AGI computer or robot.

Furthermore, why would an entrepreneur pay an annual wage of $30 K a year continuously for a person to do a job when it could buy an AGI for a one-off price that could be less than the that wage ?

Of course, this is based upon the idea that AGI could be bought and sold and that AGI and/or robotics could provide service that was as appealing as human service to the consumer.
 

"...But with Artificial General Intelligence (should it ever come to pass) this effectively "automates" the creativity of humans. It is intelligence on tap. It is this advance that would potentially make employment of people obsolete."

OK, I like science-fiction as much as anyone on this blog, but fer chrissakes, you people have no idea what you're talking about. If you believe Ray Kurzweil's optimistic projections, by 2025 we may have something approaching this... HOWEVER, if you follow the less optimistic projections, I've heard of anywhere from 100 to 200 YEARS off for human brain equivalent computing. In other words, don't quit your job just yet. :)

What should be of greater concern to people is the satisfactory use of kiosks to replace workers in the near term, and outsourcing of labor. These are real things that really affect the labor pool. Today's laborers would do themselves a favor by learning English/Spanish/Chinese and becoming a valuable partner with business, rather than coming to work and expecting that business to always be there for you... be more proactive and see how you can benefit them, rather than the other way around. THEN, you will be irreplaceable.
 

Communist Robot
 

Technocratic Movement
 

"If not within our lifetime, than within the lifetime of our children there will be a revolution in robotics that will change every aspect of human society as we know it. Will we be ready for it? We are just now settling into the information age; enjoying the luxuries of the industrial revolution while sharing prosperity around the world, but in this age not everyone lives a life of luxury. Everyone can’t, because if everyone did who would clean the toilets? Who would do the farming? Who would make our Nike shoes? The prosperity of the modern world is dependent on the unfortunate unskilled workers living in poverty locally and throughout the world.

The rich of the world don’t physically labor; their work is to manage the resources they’ve attained that make them wealthy. Those resources, textiles or commodities are intrinsically dependent on the people paid to manufacture and distribute them. It is in the interest of the business owner to pay those people as little as possible to insure maximum returns and increase wealth. Obviously. Less obviously is the bare bones necessity of maintaining the monetary divide between wealth controlling business owners and the laboring masses. A business owner’s personal incentive for furthering financial growth is only a catalyst that preserves a more fundamentally important economic truth: The rich need the poor.

If you work out of necessity to support yourself you are poor. The middle class is just the fancy poor living in prosperous countries where even the poor are often richer than the richest of poor nations. The rich are dependent on the poor for their productive value, they need workers and the rich don’t labor so they need the poor to work for them. The poor spend their money buying the commodities the rich control, which means anything they were paid is just going back to their employer. Ultimately it’s not about the money; it’s about getting people to work for you.

Luckily for the rich, capitalism insures by design a margin of financial disproportion. This institutionalized economic disparity is known as the Pareto distribution or the 80–20 rule, which implies that a small fraction of the wealthiest people always possess a lions share of a countries riches. In the US, something approaching 80% of the wealth is held by 20% of the people, and the numbers are similar in Chile, Bolivia, Japan, South Africa and the nations of Western Europe. The margin of disparity is evident upon inspection of the United Nations 2005 Human Development Report which states that “The world’s richest 500 individuals have a combined income greater than that of the poorest 416 million. Beyond these extremes, the 2.5 billion people living on less than $2 a day—40% of the world’s population—account for 5% of global income. The richest 10%, almost all of whom live in high-income countries, account for 54%.”

This economic divide is inevitable because once a certain level of wealth is achieved economics ceases to be a measure of money and is instead a measure of people under your control. To the few wealth controlling individuals of the world money is used as an incentive to motivate the working class to fulfill their productive function, and by filling that roll of laborer the working class insures their financial standings will only ever reach the capitol ceiling established by their employer. This is the economic nature of the world in which we live, but change is in the winds.

Robots have been passively serving humanity and assisting the common laborer for over 40 years, but not until recently has the industry of robotics reached the point of viability for autonomous dynamically applicable automated production. Historically robots have worked behind the scenes as an extra hand on assembly lines, performing routine functions with greater efficiency than their human counterparts. Recently however, the robotics industry coupled with the powers of the rapidly developing computer industry is giving way to intelligent robots capable of performing complex tasks that involve direct human interaction. Robots are making their way from industrial to residential application, just as their computer counterparts did less than 30 years ago, and the potential ramifications of this transition are exponentially more momentous.

The dawn of autonomous robots is upon us! In 2004 The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) held a 100-mile autonomous robot race through the desert, no robots completed it. In 2005 five robots completed the DARPA Grand Challenge robot race. Since then autonomous robot technology has been developing at an extraordinary rate. Japan has several autonomous robots with functions ranging from personal entertainment to customer service. America is working on autonomous robotic supply trucks and reconnaissance vehicles, while China is aiming to apply autonomous robots to hazardous labor.

It is projected that by 2020 autonomous robots will reach the simulated intelligence of a monkey. That may not seem that smart, but it’s smart enough to do most labor intensive jobs when coupled with detailed routine programming. When robots are capable of mining their own resources and manufacturing their own parts the labor for their production will be free. When robots can ship and sell themselves their distribution will be free. The only charge required for their production would be the price of raw materials and the rent of the factory in which they were produced. From a capitalist prospective there is an enormous profit margin for business owners in an industry run this way, but it displaces countless workers.

When robots are capable of fulfilling all menial labor the divide between business owners and laborers will become outrageous. With business owners making total profit off every good produced by cutting out the cost of labor their wealth will sky-rocket while all of their former human laborers plummet into destitution as they find themselves unemployed. Yet the working class is also the consuming class, so if the working class looses its income the business owners loose their consumer market and the economy will collapse.

It is because of capitol incentive that industry has advanced as far as it has in the last one hundred years. The pursuit of the American dream has elevated Western society from the horse and carriage to sports cars and the space shuttle, all the while improving the local quality of living while outsourcing the unpleasant primary labor to underdeveloped countries. When robots become economically viable it will be due to the resourcefulness of modern industry and the driving power of Capitalism but the dilemma posed by fully implementing robots into every facet of industrial labor will prevent Capitalism from capitalizing on the true power of the robot revolution.

A Capitalist economy is not fit for autonomous robot industrialization. A Communist economy however is perfectly suited for the implementation of a fully robotic workforce. In a Communist economy the government controls industry and wealth distribution to insure that everyone is afforded basic amenities. Communism exists as a response to the disproportional wealth distribution of industrialized nations and functions better as an idealist philosophy than an actual economic system because it lacks the incentive of riches and glamour that compel development through Capitalism.
Robots will change all of this.

Robots topple the infrastructure of Capitalism by displacing its most valuable asset: the common worker.
Robots will empower Communist countries by lifting the burden of labor from their social structure and granting greater opportunities for education and scientific exploration.

The third world countries that conduct the outsourced labor of modern industrialized nations could potentially leapfrog the entire process of modern industry and implement autonomous robots with a Communist infrastructure, just as many underdeveloped countries skipped over implementing land-line phones in lieu of cell phones. Robots are the only means of industrialization capable of sustaining the world to allow everyone to live with the quality of living found in modern industrial nations, but modern industrial economic practices aren’t designed to handle an autonomous robot workforce.

In order for a Capitalist nation to survive the robot revolution two things need to happen. First, social and economic measures need to be taken immediately in preparation for autonomous robotic industrialization. Some form of compensation needs to be planned for workers displaced by robots to keep them from falling into total disparity and, conversely, steps need to be taken to insure that big businesses don’t have total control over the robotics industry. Robots aren’t simply an advanced form of computer, nor are they simply an evolution of the common machine. The significance of robots is of the same grandeur as nuclear energy.
Robots can revolutionize industry beyond the need for human hands, but also possess the power if wielded unwisely to destroy mankind as we know it. That power should not be left for big business to handle unchecked, if at all.

The second thing a Capitalist nation needs to do to survive autonomous robots is develop them first. It is of the utmost importance that Capitalist nations develop autonomous robots before a Communist country does because if a Communist country implements a fully autonomous workforce before Capitalism is ready for it, the Capitalist economy will be flooded with goods manufactured for free by the Communist nation. This surplus of extremely cheap goods will wash away the Capitalist financial system making its economy crumble to the ground. A Capitalist human labor force is no match for Communist robots.

This is a warning. A warning that the economic system that affords the apathy to ignore it is in jeopardy. This article is not intended to persuade Capitalists to favor Communism. The Communist laborer of today is identical in many ways to the robots that will soon replace them. In it’s current state Communism demands a level of assimilation from its citizens that stifles creativity and limits civil liberties in a manor unbecoming of our modern age. The restrictions of religion and other personal beliefs as a form of social control imposed by modern Communism are not suitable for human-beings, though similar restrictions placed upon robots may prove necessary in the future to maintain control of our creations if their intelligence spawns insubordination. Ideally a robot labor force will lift the burden of intense assimilation from modern Communist nations as creativity will become significantly more valuable once manual labor is fully mechanized.

Though Communism has a better infrastructure for the implementation of an autonomous robot labor force it shares a common flaw with Capitalism in that it’s an economic model based on scarcity. Both Communism and Capitalism are modeled to deal with the economic problems of the past: supply and demand, the cost of labor, and the scarcity of resources. By assigning value to services and commodities based on the demand for their production and their difficulty to render modern economics has managed to get by, despite the surplus created by the efficiency of modern industry which nearly destroyed Capitalism during the Great Depression of the 1920’s. With the aid of government imposed economic regulations both Capitalism and Communism have managed to maintain acceptable levels of economic stability while grappling with the surplus created by modern industry, but neither system is designed to handle the extreme abundance afforded by robotic industrialization. An alternative form of economics designed to distribute abundance, something akin to the North American economic science of Technocracy, is better suited for a robot assisted future.

The entire world, all of humanity, can be elevated to live a life of luxury with robots doing all the industrial labor. With menial labor taken care of, education and creative endeavors would become precedent, freeing humanity to develop its greatest faculty: the human mind. This social reform into a utopian state is only possible with the proper implementation of robots. It should be the goal of every able minded individual to curve the world towards this robot revolution. Even before robotic technology reaches economic viability social reform is needed to insure that people know the benefits of robotic industrialization. This is a call for humanity to advance, just as we’ve advanced from caves to homes, as we’ve risen out of feudalism and forged Democracy, as we’ve gone from manpower to horse power to machine power. It is time for a new age, the culmination of everything learned and done before it, and the end of human labor. Oppression, inequity, war, poverty, these can be things of the past with the proper implementation of robotic industrialization. The full realization of humanity is upon us, it is time to advance!"
 

To 8:06 PM,
There are already voice to voice translators.
 

Ray Kurzweil is an inventor. He'll probably just invent something to make his predictions happen if necessary. Also, Bill Gates has called him the authority on the subject.
 

8:06 PM,
AMD appears to be coming out with more than 8 core processors and reverse hyper-threading that will enable more than 30 GHz computing in 2008. Also, IBM already has technology for a 500-1,000 GHz chip. Simulating the human brain can be done somewhere around 1,000 GHz.
 

"The gale of innovation is also a gale of unemployment, and in the end the
increasing capital investment needed because of continued technical development
will reduce profits: the displacement of human labour reduces the possibility of
profit, but the individual capitalist does best by innovating."


"Marx held the Malthusian theory in great contempt. Population does not tend
to grow faster than production. Under capitalism, production grows very rapidly
because of continual innovation (Malthus assumed constant technology). The
'surplus' population - a pool of unemployed, living in destitution - is not the
result of natural population increase, but of the displacement of workers by
labour-saving machinery."
 

"....OK, I like science-fiction as much as anyone on this blog, but fer chrissakes, you people have no idea what you're talking about. If you believe Ray Kurzweil's optimistic projections, by 2025 we may have something approaching this... HOWEVER, if you follow the less optimistic projections, I've heard of anywhere from 100 to 200 YEARS off for human brain equivalent computing. In other words, don't quit your job just yet. :)"

The paragraph you quoted it said "should (AGI) ever come to pass"

There is no guarantee of technological progress and no guarantee of what innovations will come from technological progress.

So I wasn't running away with my imagination, just speculating on the effects of AGI on human employment. Of course the big "if" is can an AGI ever be creative like a human ?
 

The Human Touch
 

Robot Future News
 

"So I wasn't running away with my imagination, just speculating on the effects of AGI on human employment. Of course the big "if" is can an AGI ever be creative like a human ?"

True enough. Although I'm pretty sure you've heard of the "artificial intelligence" program which simulates variations of industrial design for products. Sorry I don't have the link on me, but the program's designer has used the software to design the Reach toothbrush among other products.
 

8:06 PM,
Also, a 10 petaflop computer is already in the works and a petaflop computer already exists.
 

Google says it wants artificial intelligence.
 

"Timeline and Major Event Scenarios

1. Prototype robots tested in real working conditions alongside humans.
2. Concerns expressed by workforce about job security.
3. Private Individuals able to obtain licenses for ownership of robots.
4. Corporations prevented by law to purchase or own intelligent robots.
5. Wealthy people purchase robots.
6. Robots permitted to work at jobs already assigned to their owners.
7. Owners are held responsible for the actions of their robots.
8. Prices of robots are reduced as demand increases.
9. Most people able to afford robots suitable for replacing their jobs.
10. Humans now staff only essential or creative jobs.
11. Humans continue to receive income for work done by their robots."

"If humans could buy a robot, get them to work for them and take the check they
earn, this would result in the largest cultural/societal shift in history.

This would be on par with the agricultural revolution 10,000 years ago."
 

Google did not say it wants artificial intelligence. That was speculation based on the number of servers in their posession. Supposedly thousands.
 

No it wasn't. Larry Page said it himself.
 

Google Users Promised Artificial Intelligence
 

Intel promises "100's of cores per processor within 10 years

Intel Teraflop Processor Project

32 Cores in 2009-2010
 

ASIMO Video
 

I stand corrected. However, the way he addressed that issue supports the notion they would develop "AI" insofar as it would bolster their business model. In other words, "weak AI" supporting the advertising revenue business model... Don't expect HAL9000 any time soon.
 

I thought they dropped further ASIMO development... or am I wrong?
 

Well, it got an update in December 2005 and the ability to read a brain in May of 2006.
 

December 2005 Update
 

ASIMO Reads Brains

robotfuturenews.blogspot.com is more frequently updated
 

Once fine-tuned, the new Asimo brain interface would facilitate a fine Rock'em Sock'em robotic boxing future. ;)